Sunday, October 18, 2009

Ravi Zacharias Nov 2004 in LDS Tabernacle 1 of 7

Final Battle: Mormon Promises They Wish They Could Keep
Religion Exposed v. Jesus

Source: http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/46504/Ravi-Zacharias-speaks-in-Tabernacle.html
Date: Saturday, Nov. 20, 2004


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Author's Blogs docs

Final Battle blog: http://finalbattlemormnpromisesthywishthykep.blogspot.com/


Jesus “Truth” Contrasted to Quran, Darwin or Marx
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZMzg3MjViY2YtNDY3NS00ZWU2LWJkZTItZDE3ZjVhMDczZDI3&hl=en

Jerry Stokes LDS Testimony

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOGQzYmU1MzYtMDczNy00ZWU5LWIxOTAtNDZmMTcxOTI0ODhh&hl=en


Mountain Meadow Massacre 9 /11 1857, Jerry Stokes 2009
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZMTQ0ZGVjZWUtNTY4Yi00ZjExLWIwNzctYTRjNjVkZjZhNTYz&hl=en

Fall Book Mormon pdf

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjk3Yzg0ZWUtNDU2ZC00YmI1LThmMDctNTczYTkyZTQwMWNj&hl=en


Ten Differing Versions of Joseph Smith’s Sacred Vision

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYTdjMzkwNTYtZDcwMy00NzdlLTgwYjYtNWMxMDYwNGZiMWZj&hl=en


Fall of the Papyri Behind the Sacred Mormon Temple Endowment

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOTRjYWRkYzAtOGI0NS00ZmQyLThjNWYtNDM5MTI5ZmY2YWE5&hl=en


DNA & Failed Promises of the Book of Mormon

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZNDVhODZmNWItZGNiNy00NDQ0LTlhNDUtMDNmOTA4Zjc2OTlk&hl=en


Is the Current Nation of Israel Related to Israel in Our Bibles?
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjU3OTVlNDAtMTExNS00OWZiLTlmMzAtYzBmMTQwMzg1Nzcx&hl=en

Fabrico Santos DNA First Americans 1999

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZZmRhN2UzM2YtNDNkMi00YzlhLTk5ZWQtYjIyMTBmYjc4NWQ5&hl=en


Jewish Origins DNA New York University School of Medicine
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZMzI3MmJjOWMtYzViNC00ZDQyLTgzOTctNzA2N2Y2NWE3ZTE1&hl=en

Friday, October 16, 2009

Skeptic: INVESTIGATE & INQUIRE IF IT IS TRUE

Final Battle: Mormon Promises

They Wish They Could Keep

Religion Exposed v. Jesus


INVESTIGATE & INQUIRE IF IT IS TRUE

Deu 13:14

14 you are to inquire, investigate, and interrogate thoroughly. If the report turns out to be true that this detestable thing has happened among you.

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Ezra 7:10
10 because Ezra had determined in his heart to study the law of the LORD, obey [it], and teach A)">(A) [its] statutes and ordinances in Israel

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1 Peter 3:15

15but a]">[a]sanctify A)">(A)Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready B)">(B)to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the C)">(C)hope that is in you, yet D)">(D)with gentleness and E)">(E)reverence;

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2 Timothy 3:16-4:4

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16A)">(A)All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

17so that B)">(B)the man of God may be adequate, C)">(C)equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 4

"Preach the Word"
1D)">(D)I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to E)">(E)judge the living and the dead, and by His F)">(F)appearing and His kingdom:

2preach G)">(G)the word; be ready in season and out of season; H)">(H)reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great I)">(I)patience and instruction.

3For J)">(J)the time will come when they will not endure K)">(K)sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

4and L)">(L)will turn away their ears from the truth and M)">(M)will turn aside to myths.

Acts 26:18

18to A)">(A)open their eyes so that they may turn from B)">(B)darkness to light and from the dominion of C)">(C)Satan to God, that they may receive D)">(D)forgiveness of sins and an E)">(E)inheritance among those who have been sanctified by F)">(F)faith in Me.'

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Cross references: Is 35:5; 42:7, 16; Eph 5:8; Col 1:13; 1 Pet 2:9, John 1:5; Eph 5:8; Col 1:12; 1 Thess 5:5; 1 Pet 2:9, Matt 4:10, Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38, Acts 20:32, Acts 20:21"Open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."

MORMON WHY DOES YOUR CHRISTIAN NEIGHBOR HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW OF OUR BIBLES?

  1. Exodus 24:8

    Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, "This is the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words."
    Exodus 24:7-9 (in Context) Exodus 24 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Hebrews 12:24

    to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
    Hebrews 12:23-25 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole Chapter)


MORMON TERMS FROM A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE

Aaronic Priesthood: all "worthy" young Mormon boys are "ordained" to this priesthood beginning as young as age twelve. There are three "offices" within this priesthood: deacons, teachers, and priests.

Apostle: Mormons have "restoration" teachings where they believe all other churches have fallen away and are an abomination to God. They believe they are the only true church on earth and these apostles are the proof of that authority they have from God.

Apostate: this is someone who has turned from being an active Mormon into an "enemy" of the church. Temple Mormons are quizzed twice a year to see if they have had any contact with anyone that the church would call an "enemy" of the church.

Authority: believe this was restored to Joseph Smith by having key Bible leaders appearing and ordaining Smith. Anyone ordained in the church receives a card tracing his priesthood back to Joseph Smith.

Baptism: "Baptism by immersion under the hands of a legal administrator, one empowered to bind on earth and seal in heaven, is the initiatory ordinance into the Church on earth and the celestial kingdom in the world to come (D. & C. 20:68-74; 2 Ne. 9:23-24). Baptism is the formally appointed means and ordinance which the Lord has provided so that man can signify his personal acceptance of all of the terms and conditions of the eternal gospel covenant. Thus in baptism, which as part of the gospel is itself a new and an everlasting covenant (D. & C. 22), man covenants to abide by all of the laws and requirements of the whole gospel." McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 69-72. Contrast this with my extended article on the NEW BIRTH.

Baptism for the dead: Mormons believe in re-generational baptism meaning they believe water baptism is the new birth. If someone dies without a legal baptism performed by legal administrators then Mormon relatives can go into the temple and be baptized by proxy for that person in a special font in the basement of the temple. 1 Cor 15:29, Mormon Doctrine, 72-73 See my extended research paper titled, BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD.

Bible: See my extended research SOLA SCRIPTURA.

HIS WORD.

Bishop: heads a ward [300 to 500 members] who is also ordained a High Priest in their Melchizedek priesthood. They are largely unpaid and perform marriages and funerals and conduct services.

Blood Atonement: Mormons have historically believed that some sins are so serious that they are outside of the blood of Christ. They believe it would be in the best interest of the offending person to have their own blood shed so they can have a hope that they will eventually be released from hell into the lowest kingdom in their afterlife. Some underground militia like fundamentalists feel they would be doing certain apostates a favor by shedding their blood. See an extended treatment at DANITE USE OF BLOOD ATONEMENT

Born Again: See an extended treatment at ARE MORMONS BORN AGAIN?

Book of Mormon: published first in 1830 and has since that time undergone thousands of changes. It claims to be an ancient text telling how early American Indian people came from Israel into the Americas. The president of the RLDS church today does not believe in its historicity. Many LDS scholars have been forced to think of it as an allegory since after more than a hundred years of geographical and archeological research no confirming evidence has been found to correlate anything in the Book of Mormon to any place or artifact found in Mesoamerica. Scholars can read Mayan hieroglyphics and after carefully studying tons evidence that include chronologies, histories, king lists and have not found a single mention of any person place or event in the Book of Mormon. The most glaring missing person in Central America who the Book of Mormon says was prominent was Jesus Christ. Before scholars could read Mayan, Mormon prophets and presidents declared correlation between Christ and certain Mayan "gods," but these have all proved an embarrassment. Many LDS scholars left the church thirty years ago when BYU had to shut down its "archeology" department.


Author's Blogs docs

Final Battle blog: http://finalbattlemormnpromisesthywishthykep.blogspot.com/


Jesus “Truth” Contrasted to Quran, Darwin or Marx
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZMzg3MjViY2YtNDY3NS00ZWU2LWJkZTItZDE3ZjVhMDczZDI3&hl=en

Jerry Stokes LDS Testimony

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOGQzYmU1MzYtMDczNy00ZWU5LWIxOTAtNDZmMTcxOTI0ODhh&hl=en


Mountain Meadow Massacre 9 /11 1857, Jerry Stokes 2009
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZMTQ0ZGVjZWUtNTY4Yi00ZjExLWIwNzctYTRjNjVkZjZhNTYz&hl=en

Fall Book Mormon pdf

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjk3Yzg0ZWUtNDU2ZC00YmI1LThmMDctNTczYTkyZTQwMWNj&hl=en


Ten Differing Versions of Joseph Smith’s Sacred Vision

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYTdjMzkwNTYtZDcwMy00NzdlLTgwYjYtNWMxMDYwNGZiMWZj&hl=en


Fall of the Papyri Behind the Sacred Mormon Temple Endowment

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOTRjYWRkYzAtOGI0NS00ZmQyLThjNWYtNDM5MTI5ZmY2YWE5&hl=en


DNA & Failed Promises of the Book of Mormon

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZNDVhODZmNWItZGNiNy00NDQ0LTlhNDUtMDNmOTA4Zjc2OTlk&hl=en


Is the Current Nation of Israel Related to Israel in Our Bibles?
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjU3OTVlNDAtMTExNS00OWZiLTlmMzAtYzBmMTQwMzg1Nzcx&hl=en

Fabrico Santos DNA First Americans 1999

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZZmRhN2UzM2YtNDNkMi00YzlhLTk5ZWQtYjIyMTBmYjc4NWQ5&hl=en


Jewish Origins DNA New York University School of Medicine
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZMzI3MmJjOWMtYzViNC00ZDQyLTgzOTctNzA2N2Y2NWE3ZTE1&hl=en

Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Is the Current Nation of Israel Related to Israel in Our Bibles?

Jewish DNA Science Proves 4 Jewish Moms Gave Birth to the Nation of Israe

Soure: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1548268.htm
Date: Jan 16, 2006

Maggie Fox Reuters

Four Jewish mothers who lived 1000 years ago in Europe are the ancestors of 40% of all Ashkenazi Jews alive today, international researchers report.

The DNA study paints a vivid picture of human evolution and survival, and correlates with the well-established written and oral histories of Jewish migrations, says Dr Doron Behar of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, who worked on the study.

The study, published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, suggests that some 3.5 million Jews alive today descended from four women.

For their study, Behar and scientists from Europe and the US sampled DNA from 11,452 people from 67 populations.

"All subjects reported the birthplace of their mothers, grandmothers, and, in most cases, great-grandmothers," the scientists write.

They looked at mitochondrial DNA, which is found in cells, outside the nucleus and away from the DNA that carries most genetic instructions.

Mitochondrial DNA is passed down virtually unchanged from mother to daughter, but it does occasionally mutate, at a known rate.

Researchers can use this molecular clock to track genetic changes through time.

They used it, for instance, to compute when the "ancestral Eve" of all living humans lived: in Africa, about 180,000 years ago.

Now they have found four ancestral Jewish mothers.

"I think there was some kind of genetic pool that was in the Near East," Behar says.

"Among this genetic pool there were four maternal lineages, four real women, that carried the exact specific mitochondrial DNA markers that we can find in mitochondrial DNA today."

Settling Europe

They, or their direct descendants, moved into Europe.

"Then at a certain period, most probably in the 13th century, simply by demographic matters, they started to expand dramatically," Behar says.

"Maybe it was because of Jewish tradition, the structure of the family that might have been characterised by a high number of children."

But these four families gave rise to much of the population of European Jews, which exploded from 30,000 people in the 13th century to "something like 9 million just prior to World War II", Behar says.

The Nazis and their allies killed 6 million Jews during the war, but there are now an estimated 8 million Ashkenazi Jews, defined by their common northern and central European ancestry, cultural traditions and Yiddish language.

Behar says as they sampled people from Ashkenazi communities around the world, the same mitochondrial genetic markers kept popping up.

They did not find the markers in most of the non-Jewish people they sampled, and only a very few were shared with Jews of other origin.

Ancestry not genetic disease

This particular study does not provide a direct explanation for some of the inherited diseases that disproportionately affect Jews of European descent, such as breast and colon cancer, because most diseases are caused by mutations in nuclear DNA, not the DNA studied by Behar's group.

These genes are believed to date from a 'bottleneck' phenomenon, when populations were squeezed down from large to small and then expanded again.

Behar and Skorecki's team have found what is known as a 'founder effect', when one or a small number of people have a huge number of descendants.


Final Battle: Mormon Promises They Wish They Could Keep

Religion Exposed v. Jesus

Final Battle blog: http://finalbattlemormnpromisesthywishthykep.blogspot.com/

Jerry Stokes LDS Testimony

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOGQzYmU1MzYtMDczNy00ZWU5LWIxOTAtNDZmMTcxOTI0ODhh&hl=en

Fall Book Mormon pdf

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjk3Yzg0ZWUtNDU2ZC00YmI1LThmMDctNTczYTkyZTQwMWNj&hl=en

Ten Differing Versions of Joseph Smith’s Sacred Vision

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYTdjMzkwNTYtZDcwMy00NzdlLTgwYjYtNWMxMDYwNGZiMWZj&hl=en

Fall of the Papyri Behind the Sacred Mormon Temple Endowment

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOTRjYWRkYzAtOGI0NS00ZmQyLThjNWYtNDM5MTI5ZmY2YWE5&hl=en

DNA & Failed Promises of the Book of Mormon

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZNDVhODZmNWItZGNiNy00NDQ0LTlhNDUtMDNmOTA4Zjc2OTlk&hl=en

Is the Current Nation of Israel Related to Israel in Our Bibles?

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjU3OTVlNDAtMTExNS00OWZiLTlmMzAtYzBmMTQwMzg1Nzcx&hl=en

Fabrico Santos DNA First Americans 1999

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZZmRhN2UzM2YtNDNkMi00YzlhLTk5ZWQtYjIyMTBmYjc4NWQ5&hl=en

Jewish Origins DNA New York University School of Medicine

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZMzI3MmJjOWMtYzViNC00ZDQyLTgzOTctNzA2N2Y2NWE3ZTE1&hl=en






DNA Verses the Book of Mormon

Final Battle: Mormon Promises
They Wish They Could Keep
Religion Exposed v. Jesus




Hosea 8: 1 "Put the trumpet to your lips! An eagle is over the house of the LORD because the people have broken my covenant and rebelled against my law...

Be Strong in the Grace that is in Christ Jesus 2 Tim 2:1

Jerry Stokes <<

jkstoKes@verizon.net
getstokeded@gmail.com
ErasmusStoked@gmail.com

Final Battle: Mormon Promises They Wish They Could Keep
Religion Exposed v. Jesus
Final Battle blog: http://finalbattlemormnpromisesthywishthykep.blogspot.com/

Jerry Stokes LDS Testimony
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOGQzYmU1MzYtMDczNy00ZWU5LWIxOTAtNDZmMTcxOTI0ODhh&hl=en


Fall Book Mormon pdf
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjk3Yzg0ZWUtNDU2ZC00YmI1LThmMDctNTczYTkyZTQwMWNj&hl=en

Ten Differing Versions of Joseph Smith’s Sacred Vision
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYTdjMzkwNTYtZDcwMy00NzdlLTgwYjYtNWMxMDYwNGZiMWZj&hl=en

Fall of the Papyri Behind the Sacred Mormon Temple Endowment
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOTRjYWRkYzAtOGI0NS00ZmQyLThjNWYtNDM5MTI5ZmY2YWE5&hl=en

DNA & Failed Promises of the Book of Mormon
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZNDVhODZmNWItZGNiNy00NDQ0LTlhNDUtMDNmOTA4Zjc2OTlk&hl=en


Fabrico Santos DNA First Americans 1999
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZZmRhN2UzM2YtNDNkMi00YzlhLTk5ZWQtYjIyMTBmYjc4NWQ5&hl=en

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Mormon Leaders Leaving Testimonies Agree LDS Message Failing

Final Battle: Mormon Promises

They Wish They Could Keep

Religion Exposed v. Jesus






Jerry Stokes Testimony Fifth Generation Mormon:
I believe Christians and Mormons will find my testimony interesting for several reasons. The first is because I was a multi-generational Mormon. I was not a Christian who experimented with Mormonism for a few years and then went back to Christianity. My mothers Bradford family was involved with Mormonism from its very earliest days helping to settle Spanish Fork Utah. My father’s Stokes family converted to Mormonism from Great Britain in 1849, crossed the Atlantic, and helped settle Draper Utah as an original pioneer family. Today, I am finding it is this group who are the toughest to reach with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Another reason I believe my testimony will be interesting is because I was very active for many years. I was ordained by Gordon B. Hinckley who is currently president of the Mormon Church. Like millions of loyal Mormons today, before I came to the Lord, I was too loyal to even pick up materials that the church would consider "anti-Mormon." Because of this I didn't leave the LDS Church because I discovered widespread deceptions or became angry, bitter, or disappointed about my experience with the Church. Actually, I had a good experience as an active member of the Mormon church. I was very proud of my heritage. It was only after I came to Christ that I discovered the depth of those problems.

Another reason I believe my testimony will be interesting is because my activity included my helping to train missionaries in Anaheim California. I spent a years "knocking on doors" for the Mormon Church. This experience put me in contact with a diverse community that included many professing Christians. As I shared the Mormon gospel with Christians, I experienced dozens of ways Christians responded and witnessed to me. Today after many years I can still recall some techniques that were very effective. I also like to share about some ways of sharing the gospel that are not as helpful.

My years of temple activity are another reason I believe my testimony is interesting. To work with Mormons it is helpful to understand key Mormon "idioms" rooted in their temple experience. Active Mormons are asked to attend temple services at least once a month. This means many Mormons have been through the temple hundreds of times. The temple experience deeply shapes a Mormon’s theology. Although the 1990 temple endowment has changed, the information Mormons receive there is important if someone wants to impact a temple Mormon. Much of the dialogue of the temple experience is rooted in what Joseph Smith included in his Book of Abraham.

My testimony will cover some historical highlights from my family's history as it relates to the early Mormon experience. If you know active Mormons, you already know how very proud they are of their heritage. For many of those active Mormons, no one has ever formally announced for them the reality of the fall of Joseph Smith's "First Vision," the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, or the Book of Abraham. These events were very important because beginning in the 1960's the reality of these "falls" began to influence the way the Church responded to the world as well as its own membership.


Many of the millions of active Mormons today are quietly aware of some problems, but their information comes in controlled carefully planned releases. Many Mormons today are "in denial" about the reality of what the force of those "falls" mean. Reaching a people "in denial" can be challenging. I have a deep love for these Mormons who have not yet come to terms with the reality that they are attached to an "empty shell" that Mormonism tragically is. If you are being drawn into a ministry to Mormons I want to encourage you in the Lord, while it is a difficult mission field they are a people worthy of your efforts.

Hosea 8: 1 "Put the trumpet to your lips! An eagle is over the house of the LORD because the people have broken my covenant and rebelled against my law...


Be Strong in the Grace that is in Christ Jesus 2 Tim 2:1

Jerry Stokes

jkstoKes@verizon.net

getstokeded@gmail.com

ErasmusStoked@gmail.com

Final Battle: Mormon Promises They Wish They Could Keep

Religion Exposed v. Jesus

Final Battle blog: http://finalbattlemormnpromisesthywishthykep.blogspot.com/

Jerry Stokes LDS Testimony

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOGQzYmU1MzYtMDczNy00ZWU5LWIxOTAtNDZmMTcxOTI0ODhh&hl=en

Fall Book Mormon pdf

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYjk3Yzg0ZWUtNDU2ZC00YmI1LThmMDctNTczYTkyZTQwMWNj&hl=en

Ten Differing Versions of Joseph Smith’s Sacred Vision

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZYTdjMzkwNTYtZDcwMy00NzdlLTgwYjYtNWMxMDYwNGZiMWZj&hl=en

Fall of the Papyri Behind the Sacred Mormon Temple Endowment

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZOTRjYWRkYzAtOGI0NS00ZmQyLThjNWYtNDM5MTI5ZmY2YWE5&hl=en

DNA & Failed Promises of the Book of Mormon

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZNDVhODZmNWItZGNiNy00NDQ0LTlhNDUtMDNmOTA4Zjc2OTlk&hl=en

Fabrico Santos DNA First Americans 1999

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B4GvVeQ4Oo_ZZmRhN2UzM2YtNDNkMi00YzlhLTk5ZWQtYjIyMTBmYjc4NWQ5&hl=en